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PINK Party annoys an entire town

As the sun sets over Memorial Stadium, two dozen carnies are wrapping up a day-long set strike. On the muddy, ripped up fields at Oak & Kirby, a massive aluminum erector set folds neatly into 18-wheeler sized pieces.

Last Thursday, this huge piece of temporary architecture hosted the most impressive noise nuisance in the history of Champaign-Urbana. Here's what it looked like up close.

Those giant speakers point due east. The sound traveled well. Did anyone complain? Urbana Assistant Chief of Police Anthony Cobb:

Yes we received multiple calls last night from the Pink Concert. METCAD also received calls and the music could be heard at Rainbow Apartments and Stone Creek subdivision. METCAD, as well as UPD, referred callers to UIPD to register their complaints so they would know the impact of the concert.*

I called the Urbana Police Department's non-emergency number at 8:30 p.m., and asked simply "What can you tell me about this concert?" The operator obviously knew what I meant.

It supports breast cancer awareness, it's sponsored by Victoria's Secret, it's licensed by the University, it runs until 9 o'clock and there's nothing the Urbana Police Department can do about it.

In fact, it overran its permit. But oh well. By 9 o'clock, parents of small children had already thrown in the towel on bedtime. The eastward orientation of the stage may have saved residents of Champaign the annoyance. Champaign Chief of Police RT Finney put it this way:

I show that CPD responded to one loud music call connected to the concert. However, that may not accurately reflect the actual number of calls that were received. It only reflects an agency record that an officer was dispatched. For example, a car accident may generate numerous calls, but there may only be one record generated of the accident.... In our case, the call came in about music coming from a vehicle located in the parking lot of the Rainbow Garden at Neil and Buena Vista. When the officer arrived she found that the music was from the concert not the vehicle. There may have been other similar calls like this on campus as well.

But within the radius of the speakers, the show was clearly audible for miles, literally. Here's what it sounded like at our place.

*UIPD Chief Barbara O'Connor did not respond to inquiries. University spokesperson Robin Kaler made no official response, but acknowledged receiving two calls at home about the noise.


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Dave

#1

Perhaps the video wasn’t capturing the sound very well, but I didn’t really hear the concert when you were inside.  I did hear it when you went through the sliding door, though.
Also, isn’t saying that the concert annoys the entire town a bit hyperbolic? 

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Jeff Kohmstedt

#2

I agree, the second video doesn’t capture the sound.  But, I can imagine it wasn’t fun.
Stupid question here, but why didn’t they point the speakers south? Hardly anyone lives that way all the way to Tolono.  Did someone not want to p-o Savoy?

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Dave

#3

Out of curiosity, how late did the concert go? I wasn’t in town.

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Mike Ingram

#4

Any idea on attendance numbers for this?

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YNOD

#5

Young people enjoying live music in support of breast cancer awareness?  Until nearly TEN o’clock?  I can’t believe our town puts up with such nonsense.

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Rob McColley

#6

It took five comments to delurk a simplistic reactionary. This is progress.
 
Mike - estimates from 6,000 to 10,000
Jeff - I doubt they would have positioned the speakers in any7 direction if they’d known the sound was going to rattle windows four miles away. However, I wondered about that too—because Farm Aid’s main stage faced south, towrard fields.
 
Dave - 9:45. And yes, the title should be PINK concerts yields hundreds of complaints, mostly in Southeast Urbana, and as far as Myra Ridge, Stone Creek and the Brookens Administrative Center. But I submitted this piece at happy hour on Friday, so I didn’t have all the facts yet.
 
Troll - If you can’t have your good time without injuring other people, you can’t have your good time.  But why not just hold the event indoors? The short answer is “bad planning.”  You won’t see this happen again.

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Ryan

#7

Until 9:45 on a Thursday? Point it at my house next year, I couldn’t care less.
I hope they made money for a good cause.

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Rob McColley

#8

Okay. Where do you live?
 
By agreeing to become the recipient of noise nuisance, you relinquish all rights to determine the time of day/manner of your noise infringement. If you think 10 pm is cool, we’ll come at 7 in the morning. If you think music is awesome, we’ll use power tools. Thanks for agreeing to this arrangement.

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Caleb Curtiss

#9

That’s some straight up Blair Witch shit, man. Creepin’ me out.

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Ryan

#10

I’m pretty sure some people do use power tools at 7 am in my neighborhood.  I’m not accepting intentional annoyance.  If there’s a purpose other than pissing me off then reasonable people can behave reasonably.  If you need to build your deck at 7am then I’ll get some earplugs.  If you want to do a Victoria’s Secret party that ends at 10pm then I hope you have fun.
 

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nicegirllei

#11

 
What I find interesting on this “non-partisan” council is that those most often interpreted to be the “liberals” on the council, felt it necessary to excuse themselves and hum and haw to their consituencies about how hard a vote is that might force people to clean up after themselves.  Then they voted just as fast, if not just as silently, as the known “conservatives”<span class=“Apple-style-span” style=“color: #1a1aa6; font-family: ‘Courier New’; font-size: 18px;”>PPT to video</span>
 

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Jason Brown

#12

I haven’t read the noise ordinance(s) for Urbana, but I believe that Champaign’s doesn’t kick in until 10 or 11pm. Certainly every show at Assembly Hall, for instance, is finished by 11 at the latest. The fact that they were able to close up shop before 10 is impressive, even if it was scheduled to end at 9.

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Q-Tips

#13

The density of some people here is amazing. Are some of you seriously blowing this off and trying to compare it to an indoor concert?
 
Let’s go very slowly for the dense. An indoor concert (pause) blocks out the noise. Funny how that works.

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Jason Brown

#14

I’m blowing it off because there’s no law against it, so long as it ends before the time determined by local ordinances.

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Q-Tips

#15

And because of people like you, we need to have a code, ordinance, or law for everything possible.
Seems to me having a speaker system facing toward a populated area is stupid just on the face of it. Leave it to people like you to dismiss that.

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J Hannah

#16

As one of the parents who couldn’t get her kid down due to the noise when he had school the next day it pissed me off but I figured its technically legal by the noise ordinance so what are you gonna do? Was it bad bad planning on someone’s part? Yes. And I hope it doesn’t happen again. I’m all for people enjoying live music for a good cause, but it can be done without rattling all but the closest neighbor’s windows. I’m betting someone just didn’t think this one through and is not going to make the mistake again.

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Dave

#17

@Rob:  Thanks for the snarky response.  My point was only that you probably don’t speak for everybody in town.   There are people who didn’t mind the sound and there are those in town who actually attended the show.  Those people aren’t going to call up the police and tell them they’re fine with the noise (hopefully). 
As you have pointed out, the noise was disruptive for some.  If the permit only allowed them to go until 9PM, can they be fined for going until 9:45?  It’s not like the 9PM limit wasn’t there for a reason; if they ignored it, something should be done so that it doesn’t happen again. 
 
 
 

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Q-Tips

#18

Dave, thanks for pointing out the show attendees wouldn’t have called the cops because of the noise. We truly need people like you to advance the dialogue.

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Dave

#19

@Q-Tips:  While the fact that people who aren’t upset don’t call the cops is obvious (I meant it as a joke, lighten up), it is also a valid criticism of using complaints as a metric for measuring community dissatisfaction.  That’s not to say there isn’t a correlation, of course. It’s just that when dissenting views choose not to make their voices heard, you get a skewed result in favour of the opinion expressed by the loudest group.
Sorry, that was an awkward explanation.
 

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Dave

#20

@Q-Tips:  Also, I believe I made a valid point then inquired about repercussions of going past the 9PM limit.  How is that not advancing the dialogue?
 

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JPSherrill

#21

http://boingboing.net/2011/10/25/howto-take-over-your-neighbors-stereo.html     (My sound engineer/ stage tech and musician friends will have to forgive me for sharing and sowing seeds)

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Q-Tips

#22

“There are people who didn’t mind the sound and there are those in town who actually attended the show.” That was a joke? You should warn us next time. It looks just like an ignorant counter"attack” to me.

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Dave

#23

@Q-Tips:  I don’t see how that is an “attack” of any sort.  It is a statement of fact.  I was simply pointing out that there are other opinions regarding the noise.  Nothing more.     

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senor vega

#24

i thoguth it was a great concert! it bennefitted a good cause so worth the noise.
here’s another video i found of the same festival on DJ Irie’s youtube page:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WZQK-2irbY
 

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Rob McColley

#25

Another video—combining my two function here at SP—shows Illini Joseph Bertrand poppin’ and Brandon Paul laughing at it.

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Rob McColley

#26

The point about “good cause” is immaterial. So is the argument that some people enjoyed it. And even if a majority enjoyed it—that doesn’t matter, too.
 
Our system of laws is not based on majority rule. Our laws protect people from unruly majorities. It’s a distinguishing feature of our republic, and dates to Federalist 9 and Federalist 10.
 
The especial problem of noise nuisance, parties, performances and young people is that complaints about these things quickly devolve into tirades against the complainants. In this case, the complainants don’t want to stop you from having a good time. They want you to stop inflicting it on them. Considering the multitude of venues capable of hosting loud music and big crowds, it’s just stupid to host it on a damp (and now torn up) field.
 
Until Champaign-Urbana can develop a system in which duly constituted authorities can go over to Ryan #10’s house—and check with him as to the “reasonableness” of noise and vibrations—we’ll have to fall back on decibel limits and distance measurements; zoning and variances; time, place & manner restrictions.
 
 

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Rob McColley

#27

<span>
Jason, I prefer to avoid guesswork on these matters:
Champaign City Code Chapter 21-15 (8)(b)
<span>In the event the Police Department receives complaints from more than one person regarding sound from amplification devices from such an exempt event during a time when said event is otherwise permissible, the Police Department verifies that such sound may be heard beyond the boundary lines of the property for which the permit or T-license was issued; and if, in the opinion of the Police Chief or his/her designee, such amplified sound constitutes a threat to the public health, safety or welfare, the Police Chief or his/her designee, may revoke the permit or T-license as the case may be, and cause the party or event to be shut down.</span>
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Dave

#28

@Rob:  What constitutes a threat to public health, safety or welfare? Are we talking about threat to hearing or just really loud (an arbitrary metric)?  I guess I’m asking if Champaign or Urbana have specific guidelines regarding decibel levels.
You seemed to have followed up a lot. Do you know if the police took any measurements?

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Rob McColley

#29

The police did not respond. They cited jurisdictional conflicts.
 
Urbana’s ordinance is strict, but unenforced.  Its metric ignores decibels, which is fine. If a noise is audible at 75 feet, it’s in violation.
 
To read more about noise as a public health issue, I recommend NoiseOff
 
Also:
http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2007/06/06/noise-activates-our-stress-hormones/
 
http://stress.about.com/od/situationalstress/a/noise052107.htm

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Rob McColley

#30

BTW, it’s be interesting to know whether the hundreds of complaints from Urbana would/could invoke a joint response to a public nuisance in Champaign/on university property/subject to a special permit.
 
Would anyone from the U respond, officially?
 
Would RT Finney or his designee be legally capable of responding if hundreds of complaints came from Urbana, but only one from Champaign?

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Q-Tips

#31

Dave, saying people attended the show is not an opinion. It is a fact, and a meaningless one to the discussion.

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Local Yocal

#32

It’s interesting that most nuissance complaints over loud music are not initiated by complaining neighbors. The police issue city tickets based on the police officer’s perception.

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Dave

#33

@Local Yocal:  I’m confused, doesn’t the process of a noise complaint get started by the neighbors calling the police?  Or do you mean the severity of the police officer’s response (warning versus ticket) is based on the officer’s judgement?
 
@Rob:  Thanks.   What are the chances that any changes get made in how the police handle this sort of thing or how outdoor events like this arranged?  I’ve never tried to get anything done in local government, myself.
 
@Q-Tips:  You’re right, it is a fact. I never said it was anything else.  Is it a fact relevant to the current discussion? Nope, we’ve moved on; however, you’re still complaining about a comment I made in my very first post, at which point it was relevant.  I was commenting that I thought Rob was being a  bit hyperbolic saying it was annoying the entire town.  Since a few thousand members of the community were actually at the show enjoying it,  Regardless, the conversation has moved on.     

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Truestory

#34

There is a reason why Urbana is the butt of every joke in Champaign.

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Local Yocal

#35

Observations in City Court are that its the police who are initiating most noise violations. Rather than responding to a complaint from a citizen, police are simply “catching” people with loud radios, usually from their car. It’s unclear how fining people for loud radios is serving the public and improving police/community relations.

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Rob McColley

#36

If it’s true that police are citing offenders for vehicular noise violations, I say  ... HOORAY!
 
Now, let’s end the plague of aftermarket/modified exhaust (straight pipe) on all those Harley hogs. That’ll prove the cops aren’t biased in favor of middle-aged, fat white perps.

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Dave

#37

@Local Yocal:  Really? That’s really unfortunate.   Are they likely to start out with a warning when they find them or just immediately go to a fine?  
 
Thanks for the explanation, BTW.

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Rob McColley

#38

Dave, I don’t know why you think it’s unfortunate to cite people for noise violations. Maybe when you follow those links, and do some independent research on the enormous social costs of noise pollution, you’ll come to a different opinion.
 
I’m also surprised that you can’t hear the boom-boom-boom during the closed-door portions of the video. But that’s likely a function of the bass response on your speakers. I have some nifty Harmon-Kardons and a good sound card. It come across very well for me.
 
Or maybe you have hearing loss, and that’s the reason for your general incredulity re: this issue.

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ClearVision

#39

Sounds like much ado about nothing. I live in Champaign, a little over a mile from both Memorial Stadium and downtown Champaign. I hear music and other noise from events very frequently, up to and past 10pm. (Heck, you should have heard what the Monday Night Football game a few years back sounded like at my place!) It generally doesn’t bother me; I figure it’s part of the joy of living in a vibrant community. Marching band practice, street festivals, football games, etc., are all part of living in an active city.
For the record, I heard nothing the night of this event. (And yes, I realize speakers were pointed away from my house.)

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stuart

#40

It’s not ado about nothing.  I’ve also heard football game noise on Friday nights, or music from campus, and even remember hearing the sprint cars race at the fairgrounds,or Illioski among other minor but acceptable annoyances. This was a whole ‘nother  window rattling level of magnitude worse. 

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Rob McColley

#41

#39 probably doesn’t care as much about the Exxon Valdez as did the sea otters & ducks. I doubt he holds as grim a regard for 30s Soviet Agricultural policy as did the Ukranians.
 
I’ve never known anyone involved in an honor killing. What’s the big deal?

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Dave

#42

@Rob:  I was listening to it on my laptop speakers, which, quite honestly, are crap.  It wouldn’t surprise me if I lost a lot of the bass. 
Regarding the noise violations, I don’t have a problem with people being cited.  What I thought was unfortunate was that it was the police making the judgement supposedly without a complaint from any neighbors.   I’m at the age where I’m not very loud myself, but I’m fine with my neighbors having the occasional after party.  I don’t think a police officer driving through the neighborhood should necessarily be the ones making the judgement call.  
I believe you might have misread what local yocal wrote because you responded:
” If it’s true that police are citing offenders for vehicular noise violations, I say  ... HOORAY!”
when local yocal wrote:
“Rather than responding to a complaint from a citizen, police are simply “catching” people with loud radios, usually from their car.”
I interpreted this to mean that the police were in their cars (thus my above comment and explanation in this reply).  I could have misinterpreted it myself, of course.
“Or maybe you have hearing loss, and that’s the reason for your general incredulity re: this issue.” 
Seriously, Rob?   
What have I asked?
“If the permit only allowed them to go until 9PM, can they be fined for going until 9:45?  It’s not like the 9PM limit wasn’t there for a reason; if they ignored it, something should be done so that it doesn’t happen again. “
I asked if fines could be handed out.  Which side of the issue does this put me on?
“What constitutes a threat to public health, safety or welfare? Are we talking about threat to hearing or just really loud (an arbitrary metric)?  I guess I’m asking if Champaign or Urbana have specific guidelines regarding decibel levels.
You seemed to have followed up a lot. Do you know if the police took any measurements?”
I asked (admittedly in an awkward fashion) what the guidelines were regarding sound violations and whether measurements were taken.
Then, of course, there is my first and second posts.  In my first I just said I couldn’t hear the sound in the video when the camera was inside.  Another poster seconded this sentiment.  I also said I thought you were being a bit hyperbolic in the “annoys the whole town” title.  I’ll readily admit that that was an unnessissary (I have a strong distaste for hyperbole in rhetoric, I’m sorry). You responded:
“And yes, the title should be PINK concerts yields hundreds of complaints, mostly in Southeast Urbana, and as far as Myra Ridge, Stone Creek and the Brookens Administrative Center. “
which I took to be snarky (mostly because I doubt you would have actually given an article a title that would take up multiple lines)
Now, with the exception of the “debate” ( :-) ) about the hyperbole (and the back and forth with Q-Tips), I think all I’ve done is asked a bunch of questions and haven’t really given much of my opinion. I apologize if my barrage of questions was misinterpreted as disagreeing with you. 
Regarding web pages you liked to, I did read them and I also read some of the primary sources.  While I agree that noise pollution is a problem, the studies seemed to focus on the effects of chronic noise pollution (if there are studies related to short term exposure, please link to them and I will definitely read them. I can’t say I read every single word).  While I agree that an outdoor concert near town does contribute to noise pollution, it is an infrequent occurance and complaints about noise pollution might be better focused on things that happen more regularly.
Dave
P.S. I really hate the Harleys that drive by Kopi in the summer. So loud.
 
 
 

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Dave

#43

Wow. I just saw how long that was.  Apologies to anybody who actually read it. :-)
 

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Rob McColley

#44

Well Dave, you’re halfway to becoming a convert.
 
I don’t smoke pot, and I don’t have sex with dudes. I’m in favor of wither, for those who want to participate. But in all these cases, you have to keep it to yourself. Unwanted pot smoke got a kid arrested last week. Unwanted sex will get you 20 years.  I feel the same wasy about unwanted noise. I prefer to choose my environment, and my activities.
 
Policing noise violations with a strictly complaint-based regimen requires victim confrontation. In most cases, the victim is nearby the offender. i.e. the perp already knows where she lives. I can go aon and on about why it’s a bad idea. I’ve written extensively on the issue.  
 
Like Calvin Miller’s flight from the cops, we don’t need (faulty) witness testimony. We need electronic devices. Cameras don’t lie.
 
That wouldn’t help in this case, though. This is a bureacratic problem.

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Q-Tips

#45

“While I agree that an outdoor concert near town does contribute to noise pollution, it is an infrequent occurance and complaints about noise pollution might be better focused on things that happen more regularly.”
What? That makes no sense. So, because it doesn’t happen very often, people should just ignore it and focus on other things, as if registering the noise complaint somehow tires them out for anything else. Is that what you are saying?

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Dave

#46

@Q-Tips:  You need to look at more than one sentence.  The discussion was about health problems associated with noise.  I had pointed out that the in the articles linked, most of the studies cited were about the effects of chronic noise.  I was saying that if you’re going to be worried about health effects perhaps the focus should be  on persistent sources of noise. That’s all.  
@Rob:  The difference between the situations you point out and the noise pollution situation is that noise is a continuous scale and you have to introduce a threshold  which determines when a noise  becomes illegal.   At what point does a noise become “unwanted”?
I concede you’re probably right about the complaints issue; however, I would still like to see a better solution than what we have now.
 

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Rob McColley

#47

It’s okay with me, so long as you don’t conflate chronic with continual.  “Persistent” probably means something closer to the latter, but I don’t think you’re suggesting a nuisance must not be intermittent to be a nuisance.
 
I think you meant “continual” when you wrote “continuous” but I don’t agree with your point about a scale anyway. Some noises are louder than others by decibel level, but don’t seem to bother anyone. On the other hand, a crying child gets everybody’s attention. We’re built to respond to that noise, and to determine whatever action might stop it.
 
Yes, our cities don’t have the best mechanisms. That’s what I’m on about. So I’m glad we agree. 
 
And then there’s that unelected—and so far non-responsive—government entity in the middle of town. It’s the one that caused this trouble.  And the townies were not invited to the party.

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Q-Tips

#48

Dave, the point remains that you imply that somehow complaining about this source of noise draws attention away from other noise issues. That still makes no sense.

As this is about the third take of your “I said this, but I meant THIS” performance, I’ll stick with my original conclusion.

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